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[Splinx]

Those are cops sark not military. Everyone hates cops.

[Nuadu]

If following orders regardless is the honorable thing to do, then was it the honorable thing to do for the police officers on the UC Davis campus to pepper-spray peaceful protestors to the point where they were vomiting blood, and even kick and beat a pregnant woman repeatedly to the point where she had a miscarriage? I mean they were just following orders.

There is a big difference between following orders you know are lawful and refusing to obey the ones that aren't. Knowing the difference is what makes a man or woman honorable.

I wholeheartedly disagree with how the government is handling the Occupy protesters. Infringing on people's rights is the wrong answer. Regardless of how unorganized and leaderless the assembly is, they have the RIGHT to be there. A good percentage of cops I see in the Occupy videos are nothing but armed bullies with a badge. Frankly, some of them should be brought up on charges.

And I have to agree with Splinx, cops bring a lot of this shit upon themselves.

[Zorop]

The reality is that right now the military is fueled by a virtually endless stream of people who are all but forced into it because they can get no other job in this economy

That is just not true. I didn't join the army because i couldn't do anything else.
I CHOOSED to join the army.
I didn't hunt and kill inoccent people during my tours. I fed and help children and poor people.
I DEFENDED MYSELF agains't hostile people yes. I never attacked or KILLED anyone that didn't mean to do the same thing to me first.
YES i've killed people. YES i've seen friend die ( and that was one of the most challenging trial i've lived in my life ) BUT YES i'm proud of what i did, i'm stronger and more mature comming back from all this hell and i know. I KNOW . i've seen dubai, i've seen afghanistan, i've seen japan, i've seen korea. I KNOW what the world is. and i am blessed to be born in north america.

Any one that think taking arms of attacked is a noble notion is just fooling himself. Whining in a college study hall about how things should be usualy result in nothing.

I helped my fellow humans in the world. now dont fkin bring in my face how you dont respect people that gave their lives protecting other, cause you will just lose any credibility in my face.

[Splinx]

This nigga don't have credibility anyway prob never been in a fist fight let alone a hostile country that wants to see you dead. A civilian has no right criticizing soldiers or even making a derogatory statement about a soldier. Show some respect for the people who go do what your bitch ass is scared to do.



Fucking hate political shit bags

[zaratul]

Well said, Zara.

I joined the Army because large bodies of water scare the shit out of me. Sad, isn't it...
I failed pre-ranger because I sank to the bottom of the pool. I'm a terrible swimmer.

What do you do in the Navy, good sir?

I'm the Combat Systems Officer onboard the USS Carter Hall based out of Little Creek, VA.

[Sark]

There is a big difference between following orders you know are lawful and refusing to obey the ones that aren't. Knowing the difference is what makes a man or woman honorable.

I wholeheartedly disagree with how the government is handling the Occupy protesters. Infringing on people's rights is the wrong answer. Regardless of how unorganized and leaderless the assembly is, they have the RIGHT to be there. A good percentage of cops I see in the Occupy videos are nothing but armed bullies with a badge. Frankly, some of them should be brought up on charges.

Yep. I agree.

That is just not true. I didn't join the army because i couldn't do anything else.
I CHOOSED to join the army.
I didn't hunt and kill inoccent people during my tours. I fed and help children and poor people.
I DEFENDED MYSELF agains't hostile people yes. I never attacked or KILLED anyone that didn't mean to do the same thing to me first.
YES i've killed people. YES i've seen friend die ( and that was one of the most challenging trial i've lived in my life ) BUT YES i'm proud of what i did, i'm stronger and more mature comming back from all this hell and i know. I KNOW . i've seen dubai, i've seen afghanistan, i've seen japan, i've seen korea. I KNOW what the world is. and i am blessed to be born in north america.

Any one that think taking arms of attacked is a noble notion is just fooling himself. Whining in a college study hall about how things should be usualy result in nothing.

I helped my fellow humans in the world. now dont fkin bring in my face how you dont respect people that gave their lives protecting other, cause you will just lose any credibility in my face.

I should have prefaced what i said by saying i was speaking about the military in america. It's a matter of opinion, or anything like that, it's simply a fact: the american government exploits the state of the economy to virtually conscript people.

There are plenty of people who willingly join the military as well. That does not change the fact that there are also a fair amount who don't.

I'm not going to sit here and argue anymore, it's pointless. The reality is that just because people have differing opinions or life choices from you, does not mean that they are somehow lesser people. I chose to spend my life "whining in a college study hall." So did people like Jonas Salk, and Alan Turing, both of whom have made contributions to the human race on a scale that is almost immeasurable. (For those of you who don't know who they are, both of did work that has, or has led to, the saving of many, many more lives than any war or conflict ever could)

This nigga don't have credibility anyway prob never been in a fist fight let alone a hostile country that wants to see you dead. A civilian has no right criticizing soldiers or even making a derogatory statement about a soldier. Show some respect for the people who go do what your bitch ass is scared to do.
Fucking hate political shit bags

Actually a civilian has EVERY right to criticize a soldier. These are the rights that these soldiers are supposedly fighting to protect (albeit as one can see from the occupy wallstreet protests, maybe they're fighting against the wrong governments if they seek to protect the rights of american citizens el oh el).

Furthermore, the supposition that people who aren't soldiers are "scared," and that is the only reason somebody wouldn't be a soldier is COMPLETELY and UTTERLY unfounded. Is it not possible for somebody to just so totally and completely disagree with what the military is doing, and be so utterly and completely repulsed by the agenda of ones own government to not want to take up arms and fight for them. Just a few posts up it was insinuated that in the case of somebody like myself, or to an extent diqmoor, the honorable thing to do would actually be abstain because we do not agree with how things are being handled.

[Zorop]

Yup the father of computering and the creator of the first polio vaccine.

[touchwholol]

I'm about to leave for the weekend and I'm strapped on time, so this will be brief:
(ps I won't stir up anymore problems/mention sensitive issues anymore wheee)

It seems that the incorrect overly general opinion of everyone responding is that I think soldiers are shit, that they are always completely worthless, and that they should never exist. So, rather than respond to the multiple instances of the collective groups' misunderstanding, I will restate my original point and then respond to these generalizations. (And then a couple lol ones at the end)

Dumb video; ruinous idiotic sentimental manipulation; U.S. citizens are manipulated into idolizing their professional soldiers to conjure support for something otherwise unjustifiable.

My biggest problem is the strong manipulation.

There is a time and place for everything, and right now is not the time nor is overseas and everywhere else in the world the place, to have U.S. soldiers. The actions current U.S. soldiers AS A GROUP perform do not justify their status. Their purpose is artificial, there's no threat, which is why I linked the past 10 years of U.S. armed forces operations. As individuals, sure, it's good you helped people in need, I can see individual acts as valorous.

Consider the following two points:

1. We should have fewer soldiers. We don't need soldiers stationed in Japan, or Germany, or lots of places in which they do nothing relative to the domestic United States.

2. On the other hand, soldiers are heroes and you should look up to them. Do we need fewer heroes? Do we need fewer defenders of our Great Country?

I'd also like to say, there will always be problems in the world - it is not the duty of the United States to solve them. I can't think of a single one that is "our" problem. Not Iraq/Israel, not North Korea, and not Somalia (which is on just about the complete opposite side of the globe).

Soldiers can be valuable assets to the U.S.; however, right now and for the past 30+ years, they simply are not and have not been.

After the terrorist attacks on 9/11 (remember those?), our military has been scouring the planet hunting down these criminals. They've been too busy hiding and too busy running to organize other attacks.

Is this serious? I hear that's how you battle terrorism, and don't forget airport security. Just have to make sure you get them all, because if you don't stop 2 of them they are completely liable to strike again!

A civilian has no right criticizing soldiers or even making a derogatory statement about a soldier. Show some respect for the people who go do what your bitch ass is scared to do.

Is this sarcasm? If so, well done!

Everyone pays taxes...soldiers included. Not to mention that soldiers get crap pay for what they're expected to do.

Who pays a soldier's salary? How is that money generated? I'll just say it since you didn't catch it first time: citizen's pay taxes to pay for soldiers. You see, soldiers don't produce anything, which is why they cost money instead of make money.

And we do it voluntarily so that you don't get drafted. You should really be thankful.

Absolute non-sense.

kid thinks that an opposing force would allow him time to pick up arms and organize a defense. If we had no military force and presence in the world I GUARANTEE you would be serving overlord North Korea right now.

omg rofl; it's sad this isn't a troll.

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In closing, we didn't ask for your fucking opinion on the matter to begin with. The fact that you thought we needed to know how you feel on the subject of a standing military in America is completely conceited and pompous of you. Next time you want to pick a subject like this to 'tackle', I suggest you take a step back and think about the other people who are going to read this and consider someone else's feelings since clearly you don't. No one gives a shit about your opinion here, nor will they ever.

True. Definitely true. I should probably not attack individuals to justify my self-esteem; especially not in a forum. Even further, anyone who questions the status quo is conceited and pompous; how could I not have seen this? No more differing opinions for me!

[Sark]

One thing worth noting, particular for you, zorop, is that most of what i say is specifically with regards to the military in america, as i admittedly am not as educated in the foreign policies and politics of other countries.

And as always, as if it weren't abundantly clear, my issue is NEVER with the soldiers themselves, it's ALWAYS going to be with the politics behind it.

[Splinx]

Who pays the political shitbags? Who pays cops? Who pays firemen? Who pays the niggers that sweep my street everyday? Why should we no pay those who expose themselves to the sort of violence our troops experience? The whole thing I'm seein from yous is dissatisfaction with our government. Why take it out on the actual soldier?






I didn't read the bottom of your post I apologize for my redundancy

[Botty]

Pretty random but I wonder if there had never been war EVER anywhere in the world how high our worlds population would be by now :-)

[clearlylol]

Oh the amount of time I just spent hoping the cat would one time catch the heart. I spend far too much time watching half the sigs you guys have over and over.

[Botty]

lol

[Shockalocka]

Pretty random but I wonder if there had never been war EVER anywhere in the world how high our worlds population would be by now :-)

Kind of a catch 22. Because yeah if the people that died in the wars never died, there would be a higher population. But at the same time, you have to consider the births that were due to said war as well given any number of circumstance.

[Nuadu]

I chose to spend my life "whining in a college study hall." So did people like Jonas Salk, and Alan Turing, both of whom have made contributions to the human race on a scale that is almost immeasurable. (For those of you who don't know who they are, both of did work that has, or has led to, the saving of many, many more lives than any war or conflict ever could)

"There are two types of people who walk the earth. Men of action, and all others" LTC White.
Regardless of what anyone chooses to do, doing something is what's important.

I should have prefaced what i said by saying i was speaking about the military in america. It's a matter of opinion, or anything like that, it's simply a fact: the american government exploits the state of the economy to virtually conscript people.

There are plenty of people who willingly join the military as well. That does not change the fact that there are also a fair amount who don't.

I agree. And it's unfortunate. When I was training troops, there were a certain few who I had to constantly "motivate," and remind them that they joined the US Army, not the Salvation Army. All that said, I knew what you meant.

Actually a civilian has EVERY right to criticize a soldier. These are the rights that these soldiers are supposedly fighting to protect (albeit as one can see from the occupy wallstreet protests, maybe they're fighting against the wrong governments if they seek to protect the rights of american citizens el oh el).

I couldn't agree more. We live in an interesting society. Most countries armed services swear allegiance to a monarchy, government or the country they serve. We don't. Our oath consists of "supporting and defending the Constitution of the United States of America from all enemies, foreign or domestic." Ideally, we defend an idea. That is why we have one of the greatest militaries in the world. FREEDOM fuels the fire of an American Soldier’s (Sailor's, Airmen and Marine's) heart.

What bothers me about the Occupy protests are that our rights, as Americans, are being infringed upon by our own government. What's scary is that the public finds that it's ok to break up these protests because it's not a cause they believe in. In essence, we're starting to give the government the ability to pick and choose what rights we get to exercise. How long until people exercising their freedom of speech get maced for speaking out?

1. We should have fewer soldiers. We don't need soldiers stationed in Japan, or Germany, or lots of places in which they do nothing relative to the domestic United States.

Our servicemen and women are stationed all over the world to protect our (American) interests. We live in a GLOBAL economy and must defend those interests to make the world go 'round. For instance, S. Korea has a crapload of stuff that comes into America. I spent a year on the DMZ learning how truly unstable a ruler is and how dangerous he can be with an Army at his command. There are many reasons why Kim Jong Il doesn't cross that line, but if he does, it'll get ugly very quickly since N. Korea is supported by China and less so by Russia.

I love that you ladies and gentlemen can discuss these awesome, thought provoking and intense discussions from time-to-time.

[Splinx]

I just jumped in cause it looked like a "my dick is bigger than your dick" argument. As you All know I have the second biggest dick around

[brooks]

there's no threat

lol

[Stommped]

there's no threat

Ignorance is bliss.

[Mystearica]

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[touchwholol]

lol

Name one legitimate threat to homeland security (edit: that is remedied by having a $700b/year armed forces, please, check this out) -- one country (or group, if you prefer) that would and could potentially invade the United States.

If you don't include Hawaii/Alaska, there's 2, maybe 3 (Canada, Mexico, Cuba) who even have the ability to transport soldiers to U.S. soil successfully. With Alaska, you add potentially Russia. Hawai'i is in bum fuck nowhere and would be a huge liability to any non-polynesian/pacific country.

It's nonsense to think any Arab League nation could pose a threat. To give an adequate reason, I'd have to be given the specific country; but, in short, there isn't a group/army to do it (not to be repetitious). And, I know this is moot really, but they would have zero beef with us if we didn't supply/support Israel.

North Korea? Mexico's GDP (per capita, even) is ~10x that of North Korea, Kazakhstan is ~4x North Korea - North Korea is a poor, shitty, weak country with absolutely no means to pose any threat. Additionally, they would get their shit kicked in by just about every Asian country if they (attempted to) initiated an attack.

Which brings me to China: the only potential threat at all, except they have no reason to attack us; we fuel a very large section of their economy, and it would be extremely advantageous for them to see us succeed economically -- did you know they've been buying large amounts of US debt over the past couple years?

As of May 2011 the largest single holder of U.S. government debt was China, with 26 percent of all foreign-held U.S. Treasury securities (8% of total US public debt).

Which is indicative of good will in the first place.

Ignorance is bliss.

How do 'extremely gullible' and 'completely wrong' feel?